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帖子发表于: Thu+Apr+08,+2010+10:15+am    发表主题: “爱国”篮球网站全节转播“我的路”Pro-China Website Posts "My Way" 引用并回复



“爱国”篮球网站全节转播“我的路”(英文字幕)
Pro-China Website Posts "My Way" (English Subtitles)


http://forums.interbasket.net/f72/chen-kai-from-basketball-star-to-13004/

陈凯一语: Kai Chen's words:

It is truly amazing to see that a Pro-China website post "My Way" in its entirety. From the website comments you can easily see the inner/moral conflict of the website poster - the "human devil" split of personality and the "zombie" complex exhibited by most Chinese-speaking people. Nonetheless, the essential message in "My Way" has struck a core in even the most Pro-China "angry youths" -- the message of individual freedom, human dignity and the meaning of true happiness. The tortured mindset of the most Chinese, in their unsolvable conflict between their individual identity and their collective facade is revealed thoroughly here in these comments. Even they cannot deny they are human first after all. The power of "My Way" and the eternity of its message cannot be denied.

Here I want to again thank the producer of "My Way", Ms. Fiona Zhao, who fought all kinds of obstacles with determination/tenacity to have made this remarkable documentary a reality. She truly captures the essence of my life - individual freedom, human dignity and yearning and pursuit of true happiness.

(To clarify and correct the claims from the commentators: 1. I have absolutely no political aspiration and I am against the idea of having professional politicians. 2. As long as the communist party is in charge, I have absolutely no intention to go back to China, not even for a visit. I am and will remain an American citizen for the rest of my life. I am very proud to be American - my chosen identity. 3. China is and will be a slave state as long as the communist party remains in power. Yao Ming, being a tool for the state, will also remain a slave athlete for the evil regime.)

--- Kai Chen

当我发现这个“爱国”篮球网站全节转播了“我的路”,我着实有点儿吃惊。 在这个网站对我的评论中你不难察觉到转载者内心的道德冲突、“人鬼”心态与“活死人”病态情结。 但这转播本身证实了“我的路”中所表现的普世终极的人的价值(自由、尊严与对真实幸福的追求)甚至连这些“爱国者”们也不能不承认。 他们内在的个体认同(存在)与他们外在的群体表象(虚无)的不可调和的冲突在这些评论中一表无疑:即使那些“愤青”们也不得不承认他们也是人。 即使那些“爱国”的人们也不得不认可“我的路”中所体现的价值的永恒。

我在此对“我的路”的制作者赵枫再表感谢。 她在制作这个纪录片的过程中所显露的决心与顽强使我深深感动。 她确实抓住了我生命的实质 -- 自由、人的尊严与不懈地对真实幸福和人生意义的追求。

(对评论者说几句话: 1. 我反对用政治手段赚钱。 我也没有任何政治企图。 我只想说几句良心话。 2. 只要共产党当政,我就绝不会回祖地,哪怕只是临时探访。 3. 只要共产党当政,中国就只能是一个党奴朝。 中国的运动员也只能是工具奴隶。 姚明亦不例外。)

--- 陈凯


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Chen Kai: From basketball star to staunch anti-CCP activist

陈凯: 从中国男篮球星到坚决反共活动人士


”爱国”篮球网站链锁: Link to the Pro-China Basketball Website:

http://forums.interbasket.net/f72/chen-kai-from-basketball-star-to-13004/

网站评论: Comments from the Website:

Chen Kai: From basketball star to staunch anti-CCP activist

From Sinobball:

First of all, I am creating this topic for purely informative purpose. I don't agree with most of his viewpoints (in fact, I believe his hatred of the CCP made some of his opinions ludicrous.) And I'm not saying this because I'm afraid the "almighty scary" CCP is watching me (otherwise I wouldn't have opened the thread). But I believe the videos are worth a look.

For all of you communist-haters you may enjoy these videos as Chen Kai, formerly of the Chinese NT (but only briefly), talks extensively how he was abused and oppressed by the regime in the 1970s. He talked about the sports system, but his oppression was mainly a reason of his family background and that specific era. (Personally I have similar family stories -- I have "Taiwanese" relatives from my mother's side and a "leftist" paternal grandfather, and I know a lot of sad stories in that unfortunate era). However, be aware that as a dissident, he hasn't visited China in over 2 decades, and has very limited idea (or wouldn't admit) about how much CCP has changed.

Here's his personal website. In all honesty I find his opinions WAY too biased and not to be taken too seriously. Even among oversea dissidents banned from returning to China, his ideology is a little too skewed to the right. When he talks about Yao Ming still being oppressed by a Fascist regime I almost LOLed.
http://www.kaichenforum.com/ (including photos contained in his book) or www.kaichenblog.blogspot.com

But, from a basketball standpoint, he provides invaluable materials (old photos and recollections). His eldest daughter played college basketball at Yale.

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From MVBlair:

Thank you very much for posting this, Sino. I was not aware of who Kai Chen until you posted this. I have not watched all the videos, but I will. I also might try to find his book. I believe you when you say some of his claims are ludicrous, which is typical for people in positions to criticize or debate. (Of course, everyone knows the CCP and the government have admitted to many horrible disasters).

There are some wonderful photographs on his forum. I appreciate that he shares them!

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From Sinobball:

His story is very interesting and at times inspiring. All I'm saying is, since he has chosen politics to be his profession, you cannot expect him to be very neutral and objective in his narration.

As a people, we Chinese want democracy, just like everyone else. However, to be frank, "Chinese democracy movement" like Chen Kai's is totally a joke and is more of a means for some people to get residency in America, than actually for the Chinese people. I think I understand Chen. But stuff like "freedom torch relay" is nothing but public stunt for foreign media. Maybe they have succeeded in raising awareness of China's "human rights abuses" in WESTERN media. But does it change China? If anything, it just makes Chinese people more loyal to the CCP.

Like I said, I think I understand him. But at the same time I also feel a little pity. He'll die in America without ever being able to return.
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哪儿有自由,哪儿就是我的家 My Homeland is Where Freedom Thrives

我不是“流亡者”,我是“追求者”

陈凯 12 – 17 - 2009 www.kaichenblog.blogspot.com

“I do not fear tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today.”
“我不恐惧未来(未知),因为我鉴证过过去而且我热爱现在的每一个时刻。”


我常常听到一些反共的民运人士将自己来到美国与西方称为“流亡”。 这好像在说“我到一个自由的国土上是不情愿的”或者“我并不认同美国与西方的价值”。 这也在暗示他人“我的存在是我的出生地、我的血缘、我的环境与文化决定的”。 当我感到中国的人们与“价值虚无”认同,与“血统家族”认同,与“祖宗专制文化”认同的时候,我不知是想哭还是想笑。

我在中国生活的二十八年是被在中国的人们认为“‘熬’到了成为‘人上人’”的二十八年,是我被屈辱与非人的“工具奴隶”心态折磨的二十八年,是我在与内心的逐渐死亡与默默绝望斗争而逐渐奔向心灵自由的二十八年。 我在中国的生活与心历路程证实了“自由、尊严”的存在。 我在中国的生活向我自己证实了“人”并不是其出生地、血缘血统、种族群体、环境文化的奴隶。 “人”是上苍所创的、有尊严有意义的自由体。 “人”绝不是政府、家族、群体的附庸、财产与工具。 我在中国的搏争向我自己证实了“我存在”与“我决定我的存在状态”。

我在美国生活的二十八年是我向自己再证实了“自由与幸福是可能的与可贵的”二十八年,是我回归到了人的自然状态的二十八年,是我激情地设计自我追求幸福的二十八年,是我珍惜生命中的每一刻并发现自身生命意义的二十八年。 我对美国与其所代表的价值只有尊崇与感激。 美国确实是一个“人”而不是“奴”的社会,是一个有着人的尊严与正义感而摈弃人的无奈绝望的社会,是一个“人追求幸福欢乐并实现每一个人的潜力天才的走向未来的勇者”的社会。 我只能骄傲地向世界宣称: 我生下来就已经是一个“美国人”,只是我生错了地方。

在一个“负向文化筛选”的中国,像我这样的崇尚尊严、追求自由的人只有被专制虚无文化困扰折磨、只有逐渐在心灵上默默死亡与在肉体上被专制虐杀的下场。 在一个“正向价值吸引”的美国,我激情地生活了二十八年,并在其中品尝着每一个充满意义的时刻。 我实在不懂为什么那些来美来西方已久的中国的人们非要将自己置于自己的肤色、文化、出生地、语言的困扰奴役之下,为什么将自由的美国说成是“异国他乡”而将专制的中国说成是“祖国家园”。 如果将到美国与西方说成是“流亡”,那你们追求的价值是什么呢? 如果你们不能认同美国所代表的普世终极的人的价值 – 生命、自由与对幸福的追求,那你们到底想追求什么呢?

如果“共产垮后”的中国仍旧在试图建立一个所谓“专制下的民主”、所谓“奴役下的自由”、所谓“虚无中的存在”、所谓“反美反西方的东方国度”、、,我不光不会认同这样的“新中国”,我会作为一个“美国人”与其抗争到底。

将不能定义的“中国”与不能批评分析的“中国文化”作为“圣牛”并作为一种伪宗教信仰去顶礼膜拜是一种极为有害的病态扭曲。 纵观人类,在世界历史上从没有一个向前演进的文化与宗教是不许人用其上苍所赐的道德良知、理性常识去分析评判的。 那些不许人发问、暴露、分析与评判的文化与宗教是对人有害无益的、没有前景的、僵死不化的为专制极权所用的工具与其杀人杀灵的武器。

文化(宗教)与种族是截然不同的两回事: 文化(宗教)是由后天的教育与影响而立,当然它是可以、也是必须被批判分析的(如果这种文化是有活力与前行力的话)。 种族与血缘是先天形成的、不是由个体选择而有的,所以对种族与血缘的评判只能是一种偏见与歧视。 文化可能是优秀的或邪恶的、进步的或落后的。 种族与血缘并没有好坏对错之分。

我曾说过“共产党垮后未来的中国只能是一个‘自由人’的国度,而不能是一个不能定义的、道德虚无混乱的‘中国人’的国度”。 只有崇尚人的尊严、热爱自由、追求幸福的国度我才可以认同与支持。 “被动的‘流亡’与被‘国’被‘土’被‘血’被‘祖’定义再也不能成为中国的人们对‘人’的理解与对自我的认同。 “价值”而不是“文化”将成为人们追求的目标。 “道德”而不是“伦理/礼”将成为人们行为的准则。 人将从追求中寻找意义而不是从“被流亡”、“被迫害”、“被定义”中的无奈受害者心态寻求自己与他人的怜悯与同情。 个体的主动、独立与强大将成为普遍。 个体的被动、无奈与渺小将成为过去。 “人”而不是“国”或“族”将成为新文化的行为与思维基点。 “人”而不是“民”将最终在中国这块土地上站起来。 人将永远不再在“跪着生”与“站着死”之间选择,而是在追求“站着生”中寻找生命的意义。 未来的中国人应是自由的、有道德与尊严的、“站着生”的人。 那个时候我才会骄傲地说:我是个中国人。
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Thursday, April 8, 2010

“爱国”篮球网站全节转播“我的路”Pro-China Website Posts "My Way"

“爱国”篮球网站全节转播“我的路”(英文字幕)
Pro-China Website Posts "My Way" (English Subtitles)

http://forums.interbasket.net/f72/ch...star-to-13004/

陈凯一语: Kai Chen's words:

www.kaichenblog.blogspot.com www.kaichenforum.com

[b]It is truly amazing to see that a Pro-China website post "My Way" in its entirety. From the website comments you can easily see the inner/moral conflict of the website poster - the "human devil" split of personality and the "zombie" complex exhibited by most Chinese-speaking people. Nonetheless, the essential message in "My Way" has struck a core in even the most Pro-China "angry youths" -- the message of individual freedom, human dignity and the meaning of true happiness. The tortured mindset of the most Chinese, in their unsolvable conflict between their individual identity and their collective facade is revealed thoroughly here in these comments. Even they cannot deny they are human first after all. The power of "My Way" and the eternity of its message cannot be denied.

Here I want to again thank the producer of "My Way", Ms. Fiona Zhao, who fought all kinds of obstacles with determination/tenacity to have made this remarkable documentary a reality. She truly captures the essence of my life - individual freedom, human dignity and yearning and pursuit of true happiness.

(To clarify and correct the claims from the commentators: 1. I have absolutely no political aspiration and I am against the idea of having professional politicians. 2. As long as the communist party is in charge, I have absolutely no intention to go back to China, not even for a visit. I am and will remain an American citizen for the rest of my life. I am very proud to be American - my chosen identity. 3. China is and will be a slave state as long as the communist party remains in power. Yao Ming, being a tool for the state, will also remain a slave athlete for the evil regime.)

--- Kai Chen

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www.kaichenblog.blogspot.com www.kaichenforum.com

Who Are You? A poem by Kai Chen 你是谁?(诗/英文)

Who Are You?

你是谁?(诗/英文)

陈凯 作

A poem by Kai Chen 4/16/2010

Most say humans are just creatures of their environment.
Most say humans have no choices.
Most say humans should only accept, not create.
Most say human lives have no meaning like an eternal void.

Most say we are only maggots
Worming in the waste of our ancestors in a chamber pot,
With a full belly enjoying a life of no eyes, no mind and no bones.
Most say we are only swine
Waiting to be fed in a cage,
With their fattened bodies to be slaughtered by men.
Most say we are only slaves bond by chains,
Toiling under the orders of the masters
With a certain fate forever in servitude.

Most yearn to paint a prettier chamber pot,
Saying that will brighten the lot of the maggots.
Most plot to weave a warmer cage,
Saying that will improve the swine’s lives.
Most strive to forge a sturdier chain,
Saying that will secure the future of the slaves.

Forbid it, Almighty God:

I want to smash the chamber pot
With its noxious content from others.
I want to swim in the blue water of the ocean
Extend my fins to explore the unknown,
For I am not a maggot but a dolphin.

I want to tear apart the cage
No matter how warm and how comfy it is.
I want to roam the immense plain
Trotting through endless possibilities,
For I am not a swine but a lion.

I want to break the chains from the masters
To unleash the power of my body, my mind and my spirit,
I want to soar above the blue sky
With my wings sailing through the air.
Everything is so clear under my eyes
The entire world is within my embrace,
For I am never a slave,
I am an eagle, I am a free being.

In the directions of human endeavors,
May God give me only two choices with nothing in between:
Liberty and Death.

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Yesterday, 10:23 PM #6
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LOL. How did I know something like this was going to happen.... This may be the first time in history that I as a person am being analyzed... except that I'm no celebrity so I don't know what to think of this.

Two things to say first, Mr. Chen, with respect

#1. Interbasket is, as you can see, an International forum. It is not a "pro-China" site. You may be referring to me, that's another story, but don't give things false labels.
#2. This is an International forum, and this being the OT section, politics can be discussed. But, using Chinese here is not considered very polite. I hope you see that and delete all the huge Chinese fonts.

Now let's see what you wrote:
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...the "human devil" split of personality and the "zombie" complex exhibited by most Chinese-speaking people.

I am no representative of "most Chinese-speaking people" and never claimed to be. In fact I think my viewpoints are shared by very few.
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Nonetheless, the essential message in "My Way" has struck a core in... The power of "My Way" and the eternity of its message cannot be denied.

Unfortunately judging from the view counts in your videos there are almost no viewers. Any random basketball clip about two teenagers shooting hoops can generate more viewership in 2 days. Without my post your videos will probably be seen by even less people. So much for POWER. Stop exaggerating things.

I know you wrote this paragraph for me
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(To clarify and correct the claims from the commentators: 1. I have absolutely no political aspiration and I am against the idea of having professional politicians. 2. As long as the communist party is in charge, I have absolutely no intention to go back to China, not even for a visit. I am and will remain an American citizen for the rest of my life. I am very proud to be American - my chosen identity. 3. China is and will be a slave state as long as the communist party remains in power. Yao Ming, being a tool for the state, will also remain a slave athlete for the evil regime.)

#1. I don't doubt it. But there is something called "political activity" that you constantly engage in. I was referring to that if I didn't make myself clear.
#2. It's your personal choice. America is a great country no doubt, I live here too. But China as a country is always in my heart. No matter what you say you know this as well as I do. It may have generated painful memories, but you can't deny it shaped you as a person.
#3. I hate to break it for you, but how many supporters do you have? How many does Yao have? Please don't paint everything black and white. CCP may be evil, but is Falun Gong, the group that you cooperate with, any better? (You know what I'm talking about, and no I'm not repeating CCP propaganda... FLG uses the same propaganda techniques the CCP used)

Like I said, I posted your videos because I'm a basketball junkie and I like everything related to basketball, good or bad. If you want to join the discussion you are welcome to. If you just want to come here and shout slogans like "Yao Ming is a slave" I recommend you go post somewhere else.
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Dear Sinoball:

From your message I sense so much pain, conflict and denial, also a willingness to evade the truth in your own life. I now try to address a few of the contradictions. Hope this will become a fruitful conversation instead of a power struggle or popularity contest. Both disgust me.

When I discovered your posting of "My Way", I was indeed surprised. But when I read your message regarding your posting, I felt obligated to clarify a few things you said about me. Following my first post here, you added this message that shows me even more clearly how confused and scared you are about the truth and about yourself.

Respecting your wish of "no Chinese", I have deleted all the Chinese messages following my English messages. They are only the translation of my English messages.

To confuse what is evil and what is different is the most common fallacy among those without moral clarity. To equate FLG who kills no one (Its members are being severely persecuted and killed off in China) but minds its own business as a faith-based group with CCP's murder and mayhem on the mainland puts you in a position as a condoner or an accomplice with/of evil.

The moment you judge "My Way" by belittling me with some views that were entirely false and ignorant, and by judging what is right or wrong with popularity, you allow yourself to embark on a path filled with only pain, suffering and silent desperations. If popularity or power could determine what is right or wrong, true of false, good or evil, mankind would be still in the dark ages, believing the sun was revolving around the earth. If you base your judgment on majority, on power or on passivity by confusion, you are setting yourself for a miserable life. Maybe when you suffer from your own twisted mindset later on in your life, you may remember what I said here.

You know nothing about Yao Ming while I was a long time friend with his parents even before they got married. You know nothing about being an athlete in China's slave state, I played ten years pro-ball in China. You know nothing about me, yet you base your opinion about me on nothing but your illusion and your false collective identity as a Chinese (Your name by a Chinese flag shows me you are indeed Pro-China).

You are saying that you post "My Way" because you are a basketball junkie. Check your first messages when you post it. It is a lie. You lied to yourself. "My Way" is never about basketball. "My Way" is about life, freedom, truth, justice and happiness. "My Way" is about my journey from despair toward hope, from a slave to a free being. "My Way" is about an integrated individual's tireless searching for meaning of his life - true happiness with dignity.

China denies that Kai Chen has ever existed, as it denies that Tiananmen Square massacre has ever happened, as it denies it has killed 80 million innocent lives, as it denies that the persecution and murder are still continuing today. If the Chinese would be willingly forget that their families and parents/grandparents have been tortured and murdered, in order to make a deal with the devil for some material gains, they will suffer grave consequences - consequences unmeasurable later on, for God indeed exists and he is watching. Justice will be done, sooner or later, in China, for God made everyone of us have a conscience/soul. I can see that conscience/soul flashing in in you as well, in your inner conflict as well. You do indeed have a conscience/soul. You are not yet a zombie as many already have become, by their own fear and confusion. That is why you posted "My Way".

I can see that you do not read Chinese or speak Chinese. That is OK. Nothing to be ashamed of. My daughters don't either. It is not a requirement though many Chinese parents force their children to learn Chinese after they came to America. I only want my children to be happy, to find their own way for fulfillment in life. Here I offer my sincere wish for your rediscovery of your own conscience/soul, of your own "self", of your own way toward freedom and happiness, as "My Way" intends to convey the same message.

Best. Sincerely Kai Chen
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First of I appreciate your words and the fact that you got rid of the Chinese texts. But may I just say it's silly to boldface the entire text, but it's your choice.

Of course I don't personally know you. We all base our opinions on what is presented to us. I may have judged you incorrectly, just like you have me. To start, I do speak and read Chinese. If you can't even get this part right, how can you try to be my psychiatrist?

If popularity contest disgusts you, then why are you here in the US? Unless you can't face reality you should know that all democratic voting processes in this country are "popularity contests". But one thing I do agree with you is one should not let the majority opinion fool his conscience.

I know you know Yao's parents from a long time ago. But what is unclear to me is what they think of you now? What do they think of your assessment that their son is a "slave athlete"? You are right I don't know them. If you can invite them to the discussion that would be fabulous.

I was never an athlete in China. But you are not the only one either. There are hundreds of thousands. I know a few. I found your story interesting, but not all stories are like yours. In fact, I don't know of anyone else like you. Fill me in.

I posted "My Way" because it's indeed related to basketball. If you checked the forum I also posted a lot more random stuff about basketball, from WWII general to TV series/manga. You think I would have posted it if you played volleyball rather than basketball?

About FLG: Just because they haven't killed anyone, doesn't mean they are like what they claim, a faith-based group. There are FLG practitioners who do so for health benefits -- I had one family member who was a FLG. But as a group, I think it's very obvious -- and you know very well -- what they are about. They are exactly like the CCP 70+ years ago. If you disagree I suggest you go read CCP propaganda in Yan'an and compare with "Epoch Times".

And while you criticize me for not facing reality, I think it precisely defines you. You DO NOT want to go back to China or you CAN NOT? Stop fooling yourself. How can you talk about China and Chinese people without ever getting in touch with them?

And finally I think you have succeeded in achieving the American dream and your story is remarkable. But I just plain out disagree with you on most accounts. TBH, most people here don't care about politics. It's nice to have some sort of discussion, but we both know it's unlikely to go anywhere.
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Dear Sinoball:

You have not made it clear why you oppose Chinese text in this blog. That is why I thought you could not speak or read Chinese. It is not without reason. It is you who mislead your readers with your message. I still don't understand why the Chinese text offends you. What harm does it do?

This is important: Why do you identify yourself with the Chinese flag you so proudly put your name by? Do you know what Chinese flag symbolizes? Bloodshed, violence, tyranny with unconditional submission and subjection of the individuals to the state's will. If that is not a party-slave-state, I don't what is. China is Not a nation. China is a Party-slave-state. China's government has not one iota of legitimacy and it is a criminal enterprise. China's government has not governmental function but a tool in the hands of a few despots called communists. Tell me China's police, army, court have normal government functions like that of a Western country, then I know you truly live in a fantasy and illusion. China's anti-humantiy crimes need to be exposed and judged in the court of human conscience.

America is first and foremost a Constitutional Republic that respects and protects individual liberty and rights. Democracy can produce tyranny as Hitler himself was elected. Please do not confuse a true democracy with popularity contest.

Why do you consider Yao Ming's parents' opinion about me so important? Because now they have become your standard to judge what is right and wrong, due to their son's popularity? Please examine your premises in acting and behaving for nothing but attention and recognition from the famous, the powerful, the popular.... This is indeed the vice the Chinese must overcome if China is to become a great country. As I said in "My Way": "One can never become great unless one is Good."

With respect. Kai Chen
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You have not made it clear why you oppose Chinese text in this blog. That is why I thought you could not speak or read Chinese. It is not without reason. It is you who mislead your readers with your message. I still don't understand why the Chinese text offends you. What harm does it do?

Unless we are looking at different things, this is a global forum not a personal blog. Chinese texts don't offend ME, but it may offend others. I personally get offended when I come here and people posts chunks of foreign language that I don't understand, and I delete them. In short: forum rules.
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Tell me China's police, army, court have normal government functions like that of a Western country

I tell you. Tell me of a Western country that does NOT have normal diplomatic relationships with China's government.

I know you hate CCP and prays for their demise every day, but there is something called reality. "China is Not a nation." And for what "National Team" did you play basketball for? And you think I "live in a fantasy and illusion". I think any objective person knows who between us is the more delusional.

Let me tell you the Chinese flag represents the nation of China, my nation. The party has its own flag. I don't need YOU to tell ME what nationality I am, just like I don't you. Thank you.

I don't care about what Yao or his parents think. Yao is a good role model, but I don't agree with him on everything. It is you who dragged them into the conversation to diss me, let me remind you.

About "TRUE democracy" vs. "democracy". Who decides the "true" part? You? Or does GOD tell you in your dream?

Look I don't wish to drag this any further. If you have interesting stories to share that are not in videos, such as basketball-related, please. But if all you want to say are "Down with CCP" slogans, it's definitely a lot more useful to post them elsewhere, since after all this is not a political forum. I think we've exchanged enough viewpoints already. But if I may I would like to add a few words:

#1. Not everything is either black or white. There are things in between, just like there are other colors. And it's not right to call people like me "confused" just because we don't side with any of the extremes like you.

#2. Every person has a good side and a bad side, so is every organization. This is called critical thinking. I know you are not in a position to say good things done by the CCP (you are not anonymous like me), but I hope you recognize them.

#3. "One cannot be great until one is good". This is true. I also want to give you one saying "One cannot be good if all one harbors is hate."
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Dear Sinoball:

It seems that so much confusion is going on in your life that I don't know where to start to address it.

You put a Chinese flag by your chosen name "Sinoball", then you deny you are "Pro-China". You are doing the communist bidding in belittling who I am and manufacturing lies about me, yet you seems not aware of this fact. You posted this video which is clearly anti-communist and for individual freedom for the Chinese, especially the Chinese athletes, yet you have to dilute the water with your moral confusion, equating the victims and villain. You seem to have some conscience left in your soul, yet you use every ounce of brain and energy to evade, escape and deny it. Your initial comments about me was to appease your viewers from China and appease your own unsolvable conflict inside. You are posting a video about my life story, yet you want to play a big boss by threatening me with exclusion of my views on your nonsensical opinions about me. How sick a mindset is it?! How nihilistic is it?!

Indeed I don't have any intention to continue this conversation with someone whose whole purpose in life is to evade reality, truth, freedom, happiness and his own individual identity. To attach yourself with Yao Ming, with China, with something powerful or famous regardless whether it is evil or good, shows me that you have very little "self" and a very weak individual identity. Your vanity, face, cultural background and skin color seem to be all you have and can identify with. Recognition, not legitimacy, face, not soul, where you come from, not where you are going, power, not liberty, confusion by passivity, not moral clarity by choice...., characterize who you are. Who are you really inside?

Yao Ming is like me, being used for his basketball skills by an evil regime for its own legitimacy. Unless and until he realizes that fact and reality, he, like me when I was in China before my own awakening, will remain a slave in a slave-state. His pain and suffering has only started. You claim to love basketball. But as far as I can see, you are only using basketball to escape something else, something essential and important to your own life, something you are so afraid of losing yet so scared of recognizing and embracing.

In "My Way", I stated that I left basketball because I love it truly. Basketball should be loved and played the way it should be - to express one's own creativity, individuality, integrity, passion and dignity, to express who one truly is. To use basketball, as some kind virgin-whore, for fame, material gains, vanity, self-deception and escaping reality and truth is to betray this game. I will post four articles I wrote from past about four people in China's basketball: my coach Qian Chenghai, my teammate Mu, and Wang Zhizhi and Yao Ming (since you post their images in this blog). I have written quite a few pieces about China's sports system and its athletes in my forum www.kaichenforum.com . If you are interested you can always go on there to read them. But please do not "use" basketball to escape and evade yourself, the truth, freedom, choices and your own self/individual identity.

You think that you know a few stats, a few athletes' names and images, watch a few games and talk about winning and losing, you know something about basketball. Wake up and find your own "self". Before you do that, you will never know anything true about this game. Basketball is a game about self-discovery and self-knowledge. Anything less is an insult to this game. And using basketball to escape your own "self" is the opposite of what this game is intended and thus a thorough betrayal of the truth.

If you think that my life is about hatred, watch "My Way" again. My life is about passion, freedom, true happiness and searching for meaning of life. My life is about to unchain oneself and one's spirit to realize one's full potential. "If I can be free, can have dignity, can achieve true happiness, you can as well." Remember?

To live in a gray area with passivity and a silent desperation is to allow oneself to be torn apart constantly, is to allow oneself to drift into an eternal void of darkness - a blackhole in which only nothingness can come out. As my poem (Who are you?) states in the end: In the direction of human endeavors, there are only two choices in direction - Freedom and Death. To say that you can straddle two boats sailing in different directions is to embark on a journey of self-deception and self-destruction. Sadly many Chinese believe they can be a virgin and a whore at the same time. That is the main reason why today evil still reigns supreme in that ancient land.

I am grateful for you to post this video in this website, for I hope the Chinese authority will not discover this posting and block it from your readers and viewers. When "My Way" was first posted on Youtube in 2008 (with Chinese subtitles), within three months, nearly 300,000 viewers viewed the program. Then to protect Beijing Olympics, the Chinese authority abruptly blocked Youtube all together. One year later, I, with the producer, dubbed English subtitles into the program and re-posted on Youtube. That is probably why and when you discovered it. I hope this posting will be here for many basketball fans and freedom-lovers to enjoy and to learn about life, without being blocked by the Chinese internet police. This is because you are still "Pro-China", not just by the authority's standard, but also by your own conduct. Face the truth why you post this video, you may start your first step, on your own journey, toward freedom and true happiness.

All the best wishes to you. Kai Chen
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Mr. Chen,

thank you for sharing your opinions. I enjoyed reading them, although I have not finished reading your articles yet. I may try to buy your book online sometime.

I know more than the average American does about China. I've read a few books about and am getting ready to read another one next week: "The Bitter Sea: Coming of Age Before Mao," by Charles Li. I enjoy reading about modern Chinese history.

I don't have your experience or knowledge about China, but I think perhaps your "blanket" condemnations of China are too strong, especially in calling China a slave state. Like the US or any country, China has many, many problems. Political persecutions, gulags, slave-like working conditions can all be found in the country. But don't you think that China has made many changes recently? People have much more geographic and economic mobility, more freedom, and more rights than they ever have in the past 70 years. I'm not naive: China still has problems. But the country has come a long way.

Is it the case that Yao Ming or Wang Zhizhi are slaves? Or could it be that, like Dirk Nowitzki in Germany or Michael Redd of the US, that they genuinely love their country and the people of their country that they will freely work for it as part of the national team?
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but I think perhaps your "blanket" condemnations of China are too strong, especially in calling China a slave state... Is it the case that Yao Ming or Wang Zhizhi are slaves?

Is that a rhetorical question? He calls other people confused, yet his words are full of contradictions. He claims there are no compromise, but he dared not call Coach Qian, who never deserted China a "virgin-whore". He claims that people should not care about the opinions of the powerful and famous, but he himself calls out Yao Ming to set an example. He hates the fact that CCP uses Mr. Qian's death for propaganda, yet it is exactly what he had done with Mr. Mu's death... Why separate all the Chinese basketball people into categories when all of them are "pro-China slaves" by his own definition? The explanation is simple. He says ever athlete must choose between China and him. Now let's get the one fact that clears everything: out of thousands of basketball people in China, the number that chose Chen Kai over China is:

And Mr. Chen, thanks for playing my psychiatrist and attempt to define my life -- I had a chuckled out of it -- but unfortunately for you, my life is to be defined by me, not you. Take care now, and I must say you write well, but your words FAILED to impress and certainly don't deserve any more time from me.
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Dear Mvblair:

Your can visit my website: www.kaichenblog.blogspot.com www.kaichenforum.com

Thanks for your sincere message. I do indeed appreciate it.

Like most Americans who have never experienced tyranny and despotism, your questions are understandable and sensible. Thank God for a country called America, the world has a place to look up to. And thank God you guys have never experienced what I have. Yet this great country is in danger and under attack. It is much like right before WWII. All kinds of despotisms and tyrannies under the most beautiful names and alluring appearances, using human weakness and flaws for yearning a heaven on earth, with free lunches and free everything for everyone.

Cultural equivalentism and moral relativism are along the most prominent corrupters to alter and pervert American character and mindset. Now China has replaced the USSR and launched a powerful Soft Cold War on America with the help of American complacency and naivete. Now the challenge to American ideal of freedom and human dignity comes from a new form of communism/socialism, both domestically and internationally. I hope America is gradually waking up to this dangerous assault.

To equate China with any other legitimate country is a huge mistake. Legitimacy comes with two folds: Procedural Legitimacy - election to ensure the government by the consent of the governed, and Moral Legitimacy - a Constitution that guarantees, respects and protects individual liberty and rights. Nazi Germany, for example, had the procedural legitimacy but without any moral legitimacy. America has both. China has neither. Legitimacy is entirely different from recognition. Yet the Chinese government wants to, with the help of human moral confusion and ignorance, confuse the both. It is just like a person confusing values with material gains. Values are internally developed and connected only with human conscience - God. Material gains, as China has gained in recent years, are only externally recognized by other humans. This is what Sinoball distinctly confused without even being aware of that confusion. Are we Americans are too value-deprived to recognize only superficial and material gains?

Before Yao Ming signed up with NBA, he was ordered by the government to sign a contract with the Chinese sports authority - the government itself (a forced contract under duress). In this contract, he basically had to admit he was a property of the state and would obey the Chinese sports authority. He had to sell himself first to the state as a slave then the state would allow him to go abroad and join the NBA. Dirk and everyone else in the NBA will never subject themselves to anything remotely resembling that, for that is diametrically opposed to the US Constitution. So to compare Yao with others in the NBA, in terms of one's relationship with his government is very inappropriate, and simply not the truth. Yao has to play the World Championships or the Olympics, not because he wants to, but because he has to. I don't want to get into too much detail, just to protect some innocent people. Wang Zhizhi's case is even more pathetic. He revolted against the Chinese authority and later was punished when he wanted to go back to China (after a miserable career in NBA). He had to humiliate himself in front of the entire country, making a confession to assert that he was nothing without his motherland and the party. You can read my article on this as pasted above. You can also read his confession if you do some research on line.

To say the Chinese has more freedom now is a misperception. If your cage is bigger, or your chains can extend longer, do you call that freedom? Freedom under tyranny and despotism is a self-deceptive illusion, if not an insult to human intelligence. None of the Chinese athletes are free. They are enslaved not only by the state, but by their own fear to be free and assume their individual responsibility. (They are domesticated animals owned by the farmer - the Chinese Party-State.) Slavery is not a simple matter of slave owners oppressing the slaves. It is an insidious codependency. Many times the slaves are the most fierce defenders of the slavery. So most Chinese nowadays yearn only for a better despotism/tyranny with a softer, gentler and kinder ruler. Freedom is an alien concept to most Chinese, for its implies personal responsibility. Yet without freedom, true happiness and fulfillment will not be possible. I think you and I can agree on that.

Indeed many foreign players in the NBA often go back to their mother countries to play for their respective national teams in the world competitions. But never compare the Chinese athletes' relationship with the Chinese government with any of such athletes. Their relationship, as a slave to the state, is a taboo subject that no one, not even the athletes in China want to mention, for it is just too painful to spell out the truth. For example, Lin Li, the Gold Medalist in the Barcelona Olympics in swimming, came out in 2008 to run the Beijing Olympics torch relay in SF by the government's order. But what a joke! Yet the slave's fate is closely tied with the master's. The open secret of illegal drug use by the East German coaches China hired for its swimming team has been buried deeply by people's fear to confront the truth. Lin Li's Gold Medal was a fraud and tainted with steroids. Yet her glory - a fake and fraudulent glory is inseparably tied with China's government. To protect herself, she must set out to protect the Chinese government. To admit her own drug use is not only to dishonor China, but to discredit her own entire life. How many people will have the guts and conscience to honestly face themselves, to face the truth and their own fraudulent history?

Only when people are free, they can truly love their own country. This is not just about morality. It is logic.

I will be happy to answer your questions about the Chinese sports and athletics. Best. Kai Chen
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From John:

A new definition is required to describe and understand this world today.

China today is a Modern Slavery Country,where Chinese are kept mentally at Childish mindset, below 7 years age;

China as a country, all the state system is a fake traditional western modern system, the army, the legal system. In all of the state run industries, there is CCP sub organization, and all the important positions in those organizations are controlled by communist members. In most of the case , they are either already CCP members, or assigned to that position by CCP's organizational department.

Same with Universities and schools, even the law firms have now been Ordered to setup their CCP organization.

Before 1980s, CCP dictators call for Chinese to be tools and nuts for the Party, be where the Great Revolutionary (Mao, Deng) want you to be; today, they just MAKE (brainwash with fake history) every Chinese an automatic Robot, programmed to do what the slave owner/owners wish to do automatically...

We Chinese know what we have to say, have to do, have to be in China with certainty; we self-censor our internet behavior in China to comply with the CCP's internet policy, not to say the CCP has always been running mass press and media machine.

That is the so-called different and progress over last 30 years.

Kai Chen is right to call China a slave country.

Beside all of these, do not forget that CCP is an organization of criminal Gangsters, communist Mafia. This CCP today has no any ideology, not to say dream and imagination as human beings. They are simply power and money oriented Mafia.

Yes, as most of the other part of world people can see with their naked eyes that We Chinese enjoy the freedom, happiness, and rich life in China now. But those freedoms and happiness are THEIR's, the CCP' dictators', the government's, the power elite's. The essential relationship between the people and the government has never been changed -- slaves and slave owners.

Dictators' control is behind everything, every part and every corner of Chinese society and an individual's life.

Mr.Chen is right, US today is on the way to be like this Modern China. Some of the powerful elite in US and west are in the same bed with THOSE DICTATORS in China.

A Aldous Huxley's BRAVE NEW WORLD is coming to us all on this earth.
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From Mvblair:

Nobody will ever accuse you of not being passionate, Chen! You're a very good writer. Thanks for sharing your opinions. I bookmarked your blog and will continue to check it out to read more.
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Dear Mvblair:

John is a friend of mine online. He wrote this message, having read this blog's messages. I will paste it here.

Most people from China who may or may not be your acquaintance are basically moral and historical handicaps with their own abuse and brainwashing under tyranny. Most students in China has a perverse sense of history, for the history books in Chinese schools are nothing but propaganda tools, like everyone and everything in China, altered to suite the needs of those in power. They don't know anything about Tiananmen Square Massacre; they don't know anything about communist atrocities and crimes against humanity in the past and at the present; they don't know the true history about WWII. Most Chinese think (because they are taught) Korea War was started by Americans. They worship Mao - the biggest mass murder in human history (80 million innocent lives perished in peace time under Mao). The list goes on and on.

They - the Chinese entirely materialize their lives, ignoring and abandoning their spiritual and moral pursuit. (all churches and temples in China are under the communist government's guidance - a unique "government as God and above God" phenomenon) They live like zombies with a split personality and a schizophrenic penchant. As individuals, they will fight to death for a chance to come to the US. As Chinese with their collective mindset (doomed in an eternal silent desperation), they are avid anti-Western, anti-American zealots. I think Sinoball exhibits exactly that complex (or Stockholm Syndrome). Thousands of years of despotism plus the extreme communist brainwashing/fear-cultivating in modern times, the Chinese have very little grasp of reality and natural order of the world. Shedding their ascribed identity as a member of the collective is extremely frightening to them. Yet without establishing one's own self/individual identity, freedom and happiness are indeed only illusions.

If one person's life is viewed by the collective as nothing but a number/tool/slave, if one person's life is without any meaning by a castration of his/her self identity, I don't know what any meaning a collective could possibly have, no matter how many non-persons in that collective. That is why no one can tell me why there is such an existence called China. What, if any, possible values does such an entity have? This is in sharp contrast with America - a country established upon values/meaning. So when you compare China and Ameica, you are making a huge mistake. There is no comparison, there is only contrast.

To communicate with you, an American with common sense and common decency, is easy, for you will recognize the truth with logic and moral principles in what I say. But to communicate with a morally and rationally deprived person is almost an impossible task. The premise of a zombie's life is often, if not always, entirely opposite to a normal individual human being's. Realizing this point will help you understand many sick things and negative occurrences around you, when your deal with a being who identifies himself/herself first and foremost as a Chinese.

Best and I am glad to have communicated with you on this website. Kai Chen

From John:

A new definition is required to describe and understand this world today.

China today is a Modern Slave Country, where Chinese are kept mentally at Childish mindset, below 7 years age;

China as a country, all the state system is a fake traditional western modern system, the army, the legal system. In all of the state run industries, there is CCP sub organization, and all the important positions in those organizations are controlled by communist members. In most of the case , they are either already CCP members, or assigned to that position by CCP's organizational department.

Same with Universities and schools, even the law firms have now been Ordered to setup their CCP organization.

Before 1980s, CCP dictators call for Chinese to be tools and nuts for the Party, be where the Great Revolutionary (Mao, Deng) want you to be; today, they just MAKE (brainwash with fake history) every Chinese an automatic Robot, programmed to do what the slave owner/owners wish to do automatically...

We Chinese know what we have to say, have to do, have to be in China with certainty; we self-censor our internet behavior in China to comply with the CCP's internet policy, not to say the CCP has always been running mass press and media machine.

That is the so-called different and progress over last 30 years.

Kai Chen is right to call China a slave country.

Beside all of these, do not forget that CCP is an organization of criminal Gangsters, communist Mafia. This CCP today has no any ideology, not to say dream and imagination as human beings. They are simply power and money oriented Mafia.

Yes, as most of the other part of world people can see with their naked eyes that We Chinese enjoy the freedom, happiness, and rich life in China now. But those freedoms and happiness are THEIR's, the CCP' dictators', the government's, the power elite's. The essential relationship between the people and the government has never been changed -- slaves and slave owners.

Dictators' control is behind everything, every part and every corner of Chinese society and an individual's life.

Mr.Chen is right, US today is on the way to be like this Modern China. Some of the powerful elite in US and west are in the same bed with THOSE DICTATORS in China.

A Aldous Huxley's BRAVE NEW WORLD is coming to us all on this earth.
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John and kai,

it takes courage to point out that the chinese emperors
have no clothe, but one only becomes human if he or she thinks for him/herself. the worthlessness of being chinese is that someone else (confucius, mao, the party, marx, lenin, whatever) always thinks for them and their brains are simply passive repeaters without a single active neuron, instead of a living human being created in the image of God.

it might sound harsh to most chinese, but the reality is that the very moment a chinese starts to think for him/herself, he or she is no longer considered a chinese but a traitor or far worse by those around them (not just the evil government). no wonder the communists can still impose with relative ease a system that is not much different from that of a few milleniums ago. north korea is another example.

i am proud of being an american. i want to share what a friend of mine in china told me years ago, "i cannot be an american physically, but will be an american in spirit".

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Thanks John for your clear and concise message. Looking for the truth, not looking to preserve our face, differentiate people like us from most Chinese speaking population. It really doesn't matter what we look like or are born with. It is what we make ourselves, with our choices according to our conscience, is the most important. Where we came from is never as important as where we intend to go.

I am proud to be your friend. Kai Chen
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